We are now at ehealthforum.nz - a new, cleaner domain for the Forum!

The eHealth Forum has now moved (as of 2023-08-28T07:00:00Z) to the tighter ehealthforum.nz.

This shouldn’t cause more than a momentary glitch in anyone’s experience, and brings some important benefits which really need to be realised.

Background

While forum.hinz.org.nz has been a great home (especially at the time of COVID uncertainty) for the last 2 years, it was always intended to be a temporary refuge. The reason? Unsavoury neighbours!

During the process of moving out from the under protective wing of our UK colleagues at the Digital Health Networks, it became apparent that a large Facebook group dedicated to an ‘alternative’ narrative on vaccines was just about to implement their website at thehealthforum.nz (they have subsequently done this at thehealthforum.co.nz). This was an unacceptable risk for our health-centred discussion forum - which is based upon openness, collaboration, and honesty.

As the political sting has faded somewhat, and their website has had little activity for the past year, the time seems right to complete the move.

Reasons for this move

There are several reasons for making this switch

Our current “forum.hinz.org.nz” doesn’t roll off the tongue

It just isn’t that easy to convey quickly to other people. Three ‘dots’ just seems a dot too many for folk to remember easily. And it doesn’t stick in people’s minds.

Search Engine Optimisation

Currently, websites that link to this Forum get lost in the hinz.org.nz domain. Also, any changes to the link severely impact the effectiveness.

Another thing we are going to do is open up a bit; some of our content will become public, allowing for direct linking and search engine crawlers to access it. This is a key part of ensuring that the Forum is appropriately accessible. More on this to come.

For both of these things, we need a simple, stable URL which is easy to link to - and which has intrinsic meaning.

The App experience

Whenever I speak with people about using the eHealth Forum, they often bring up their perception that an app doesn’t exist for it as being a major problem.

The thing is - it does! As a PWA (as opposed to a conventional Appstore app), however, it is vulnerable to a URL change. Basically, when we change the URL it will break. This is the reason that it hasn’t been widely promoted as yet.

Settling on a new, permanent, URL will enable us to get moving with this.

Lack of HiNZ integrations

We don’t have any meaningful integrations with the HiNZ website or other assets. With HiNZ’s current website and digital assets, integration is not easy nor cheap. The one functioning integration is the eHealth Forum automatically hosting comments on the eHealth News articles.

While this situation isn’t great, it does mean that there is little advantage in remaining within the hinz.org.nz domain. Also, at the moment a change of URL won’t break anything. It seems wise to lock in a new stable URL now, so that future integrations will be robust.

What Next?

This move is unfunded - therefore it relies upon the unpredictable availability of volunteer time and energy (mostly mine).

One day, the URL will suddenly change. This will break a few things (especially reply by email) briefly, as well as shortcuts that folk might have on their devices. However, a solid redirect will be in place so hopefully this will be minimised.

This will be well communicated via several channels, and it would be great if you can help your colleagues to find our wonderful online digital meeting space once the move has occurred.

Any Questions or Problems?

Please pop them here as a reply to this post!

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Hi Nathan

This is good news!! Please advise when the move will likely take place.

Thanks and kind regards

Geoff

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Good move, and a very logical one. Thanks for all your mahi on this @NathanK!

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Thanks chaps! As it turns out, I got all enthusiastic after penning that post and have managed to get most of the grunt work done this morning.

As the HiNZ sysadmin chap (the wonderful Jon Williams) has kindly offered to switch over their bit this evening, we are actually all set to do this tonight (quite a bit sooner than expected).

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We are live at ehealthforum.nz!!!

You will need to log in on the first time you visit the site. If you have previously installed the eHealth Forum app (PWA) on your mobile device, you will need to delete that and reinstall it.

To install the app, you don’t need to visit an Appstore. Instead, just hit the banner up the top on your device which invites you to install it. You will also need to enable notifications (or you won’t get them!).

The move went pretty smoothly, with the only significant glitch being that the site / app can’t currently receive emails. As a result, I’ve turned off the ability to reply to topics via email until this can be sorted.

Do let me know if you have any problems - if you can’t access the site, then ehealthforum@kershaw.digital is how to reach me.

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Thanks @NathanK for your mahi and relentless drive to keep this going and maintaining :slight_smile:
Jerome

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This is now working properly, so you can reply to topics via email once again.

If you do so, please be mindful of your email signature which can pollute the Forum significantly with lengthy (useless) disclaimers and large graphics that render oddly. This explains how to stop that happening:

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Your grit and determination are amazing!!! @NathanK

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Thank you so much Nathan for your time and dedication, so inspirational :slight_smile:

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Thank you Emily and Amy!

Everything is working as it should be, but there are a couple of remaining issues that hopefully will get tidied up over the next wee while.

Redirect not working as intended

If you visit forum.hinz.org.nz, it currently returns this:

Apparently this is due to the security certificate needing to include both the old and new domains. Ah, live and learn, eh? I’m working on a fix to it now.

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love the new ways ! login link, that’s really new!

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And I haven’t re-enabled the OAuth stuff yet (Microsoft365, Google, GitHub, LinkedIn, and maybe one day the DHIS :wink:) - hopefully you’ll be even more impressed then!

OK, Oauth2 stuff is now fully re-enabled - and with more experienced eyes this time, I was able to fix up a few issues along the way. You should now be able to login via:

  1. Google

  2. LinkedIn

  3. GitHub

  4. Microsoft

I’ve confirmed that Google and Microsoft both work, but that is a little trickier for the other two as I’d have to make new test accounts on each.

Would someone kindly mind logging out and then back in using one of LinkedIn and/or GitHub to give it a test (and let us know about it here)?

  1. LinkedIn: Logged me in immediately, no questions.

  2. GitHub: Began a link-or-create account process. Gave me the option of logging in to existing forum account (using email and password) to link the accounts. I didn’t do that so it took me to the new-account intro questions ‘Why want to join’, etc. which I didn’t fill in.

Curious, as my github is linked (somehow Microsoft-ishly) with the email I’m registered on here with, but my LinkedIn is not. [Edit] Ah, but I think maybe Linkedin ‘knows’ other me’s including the one on here.

cheers,
mitch

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Thanks Mitch - the OAuth2 logins seem to be functioning well now.

We’ve got one last glitch now, this time with links in the Forum. This one is related to a bug in Discourse, which I’ve reported:

Fortunately, I’ve been able to find a workaround and all is working okay (I think) on the ground.