NZHF problem 1: Getting the data right. Non-clinician health professionals still to do

What I need is a list of all professions and sub-professions within health. It would be easiest in a spreadsheet. - or maybe just here in this Wiki. Everyone can edit these green posts - just look for the image under the text of the post.

  1. Clinicians - sorted!
  2. Non-clinicians who are in direct health roles with patient contact of some sort (eg ward clerks, secretaries, porters)
  3. Indirect non-clinicians (most of our IT colleagues, etc)
  4. Suppliers
  5. Consumers / consumer advocates

Who can help? I’ll @mention you in this post next to the one you can help with - or you can yourself as it is a Wiki

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I can help with the AHST List.

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Happy to collate the midwifery info.

Thanks!

Elf

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HI Nathan,

Happy to help from a nursing perspective.

Great, I know that is quite long. Do you mind posting it here?

Thanks Elf! Are there large subgroups within midwifery? I’m guessing that a single group would work.

Brilliant - how many sizable nursing sub-groups are there? Are you willing to help co-ordinate the nursing online community too?

Hi Nathan,

Keen to be of whatever help I can. Nursing is relatively large and we do have quite a few sub groups, however in our favour is that most role titles are fairly (but obviously not completely) similar. Issue could be the non-DHB groups though, wonder if there is anyone out there from nursing in community settings (ARC, Primary etc.) that can advise ? Happy to help coordinate definitely but might need some help.

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Hi, realistically just two Groups. Core (work within the DHBs) and LMC (work within the community and contracted to the MoH)

Hi Nathan – It should be aligned with ANZSCO

http://anzsco.ozhome.info/anzsco-complete-occupation-list

I know it’s not exactly what you are asking for but it’s pretty ubiquitous…

Michael

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Is there anyway to pull out just the health related ones? It would be really helpful.

HI Nathan, What kind of format do you want the information in?

Unfussy. What I need to do is cut and paste the text names into fields. Excel spreadsheet, a wiki or post in Discourse, word document, whatever. I just want someone else to do it.

That’s a deal! I’ll get started today and get it to you ASAP.

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OK nathan, here goes to get started. I have made sure this list is aligned with the ANZSCO list mentioned by @mike_bainbridge also. There is an explanation for each level as there maybe roles in community organisations that still fit but are called something else.

  • Registered Nurses (RN )
  • Nurse Manager (any nurse with a management role including budgeting, staffing and recruitment, may have little or no clinical component to role) e.g.
    • Director of Nursing, Nursing Clinical Director, Associate Director of Nursing,
    • Clinical Nurse Manager, Nurse Manager, Team leader, Duty Nurse Manager
    • Associate Nurse Manager
    • Nurse Coordinator
  • Senior RN (on the senior nurse MECA but still has some clinical component to the role and little or no management) e.g.
    • Clinical Nurse Specialist
    • Specialist clinical nurse
    • Nurse Educator
    • Nurse Prescriber
    • Nurse Researcher
  • RN (any registered nurse with a current registration, may also hold other registrations e.g. midwifery, not in a senior role or paid on the senior nurse MECA)
    • Registered Nurse
    • New graduate nurse
  • Enrolled nurse
    • Enrolled nurse
    • Nurse Assistants
  • Nurse Practitioner or NP (registered as an NP but may or may not be working in a NP role).

Let me know if you need anything else.

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Hi Nathan
Here is a starter for 10. This is the list from Waitematā so there are some missing. I’ve called on National DAHs to help fill the gaps.

WDHB AHST Professions &voccupations.docx (15.2 KB)

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HI Nathan,

You should use the ANZSCO v1.3 that’s the official occupation list used by Stats NZ as for the classifications of Occupations… Health tree is on the subcode 25 list. Community healthcare is 40 series . Available in Excel as a filter!

https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/1220.02013,%20Version%201.3?OpenDocument

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Wow - 42 different professions - just in Allied Health! Yikes, how on earth am I going to shoehorn this all in? And you have more than ANZSCO1.3

Sam, that is gold. I’ve extracted just the health ones; there are 4 main categories, 23 professions, and 84 total sub-professions.

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Great idea to link to the ANZSCO codes. Yes, you will find that there are more ASHT professions/occupations than in the codes, approx 54 in total. Also they are just the profession/occupation names, not the granulatity such as new grad, rotational, staff grade, senior, team leader, clinical leader, professional leader, educator, coach, manager etc. most groups also have a career path with roles within such as the nursing structure. It really depends what level you want to go down to. I’ve asked NDAHs to come back to me urgently by the end of the week.

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Tamzin, you are a diamond. Honestly, I think that we have enough to go on; you can stand down your crew. Can always go more granular in future.

There are some professions missing that Waitematā doesn’t have. I’ll try to find some time to reconcile against the ANZCO codes

In case if anybody is wondering, I’ve just found out that the Health Provider Index does not currently hold contact details; they are kept by all of the relevant councils on their own databases. While they are theoretically accessible, it wouldn’t be a fast process.