# CiLN Position Statement- Please review and feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Open Forum\ **Tags:** poll\ **Created:** [April 29, 2020, 4:01am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413 "2020-04-29T04:01:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![karenblake](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/karenblake/32/3502_2.png) [@karenblake](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/karenblake)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 4:01am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/1 "2020-04-29T04:01:16Z")
The [Clinical Informatics Position Statement](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/cilns-clinical-informatics-position-statement-may-2020/14228) is ready for publication. Before we publish we need your input as to whether you feel it’s ready. The position statement was initially developed by a CiLN team in October 2019, discussed in a workshop at the November CiLN meeting at the Digital Health Week, and was refined during the last few months. While we wait for the infographic from the graphic designers, we would like to know if you think the document is ready for publication. [CiLN position statement.pdf](https://ehealthforum.nz/uploads/short-url/6w1fOhUvg74yMlXHynhf3cT3SBK.pdf) (54.1 KB) Please review the position statement and complete this poll. Is the [Clinical Informatics Position Statement](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/cilns-clinical-informatics-position-statement-may-2020/14228) ready for publication (assuming inclusion of the infographic)? _Poll ([view on site](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/1))_ If you have answered ‘no’ or ‘not sure’ please give your reason/s in a follow up comment in this thread. We look forward to your response to the poll! Deadline is 6 May (one week from today) ---
**Author:** ![alex](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/alex/32/4548_2.png) [@alex](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/alex)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/2 "2020-04-29T04:09:33Z")
Hi Karen this is awesome. Just one thing - “Te” is “the” in Te reo so you can say " Te Tiriti o Waitangi" without “the” in front ---
**Author:** ![DarrenSmith](https://ehealthforum.nz/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@DarrenSmith](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/DarrenSmith)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 5:06am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/3 "2020-04-29T05:06:43Z")
Hi, this is really great, arguably the only thing potentially needs strengthened is the link with Informatics Clinicians within their respective organisations and professional bodies, although this is a very minor critique - as I think you have covered this generally. I’ve attached some role-specific work I did a while ago re this…may (or may not) prove useful. Perhaps the point I’m making is one around clinicians being able to articulate what they do in context of their organisational and professional context. Food for thought. [SDHB MHISO Underpinning.docx](https://ehealthforum.nz/uploads/short-url/evtVY1WiB8BqcxHPbrBqwFtQVVb.docx) (83.8 KB) ---
**Author:** ![Greig](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/greig/32/3653_2.png) [@Greig](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/Greig)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 6:52am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/4 "2020-04-29T06:52:06Z")
Hi Karen, Awesome work by you and everyone else across the CiLN network. My only negative is that the data and particularly the analytics is very understated. Acknowledging my own prejudices, clinically lead statistics and data science is a key element often missing in decision making. Not wishing to undermine the contribution of others in the discipline but this is another important way that Health Informaticians can support Digital Health delivery. ---
**Author:** ![Anne](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/anne/32/6570_2.png) [@Anne](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/Anne)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/5 "2020-04-29T09:13:37Z")
My page 1 ends mid sentence? I like it. It’s clear and straightforward. It covers the wide scope of Informatics, without getting too confusing. Thank you to everyone who put time into this. ---
**Author:** ![NathanK](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/nathank/32/6064_2.png) [@NathanK](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/NathanK)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/6 "2020-04-29T17:02:56Z")
Eeeek - I noticed that the closing date for the poll was set as today, but meant to be: > [@karenblake](#): > > Deadline is 6 May (one week from today) Therefore I edited it - and inadvertently wiped the results. There were 6 replies already - sorry if yours was one of them! If so, please re-vote. Also, @sax asked me to pass this on to @KarenDay and @karenblake : > That reads really well. > > Please pass on my congrats to authors. Succinct and clear with a purpose. ---
**Author:** ![karenshaw](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/karenshaw/32/3119_2.png) [@karenshaw](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/karenshaw)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/7 "2020-04-29T22:32:55Z")
I only popped no in the vote as the last sentence on the bottom of page 2 is incomplete. Otherwise having read through it I do think its accurately spells out the value and role of clinical informaticians and spells out where the future should lie. Great work guys. Thanks for the hard graft on this. ---
**Author:** ![eras](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/eras/32/2638_2.png) [@eras](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/eras)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/8 "2020-04-29T22:33:31Z")
Great job! I answered “not sure” for two reasons: 1. Last sentence page 1 seems to have been cut off? 2. The references don’t appear within text - are they meant to? ---
**Author:** ![michael.hosking](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/michael.hosking/32/15442_2.png) [@michael.hosking](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/michael.hosking)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/9 "2020-04-30T00:30:21Z")
Great work, I appreciate that it’s a short, easy read. I answered not sure because: 1. As per Era’s points above, last sentence on page one appears incomplete and references don’t appear not embedded within the text 2. Topics I feel that are understated: 3. Suggested refinement and more explicit language: - Page 1 - Page 2 Final Page: - I would suggest using “positive, ongoing digital transformation” rather than “successful digital transformation”. To me, successful implies it is complete. That’s my first pass through the document. Happy to discuss further if needed and am interested in other people’s view on these points. Some other questions. Who is the audience for this document? What are the timeframes expected from the calls to action? ---
**Author:** ![RMcBeth](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/rmcbeth/32/2683_2.png) [@RMcBeth](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/RMcBeth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/10 "2020-04-30T02:40:50Z")
Thanks @eras - We are aware of a couple of formatting issues that still need to be corrected and also the inclusion of references - these will certainly be included before publication. This is a ‘final draft’ that we’ve posted to ensure CiLN members are happy with the content of the document. ---
**Author:** ![sharon.leitch](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/sharon.leitch/32/3019_2.png) [@sharon.leitch](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/sharon.leitch)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2020, 3:17am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/11 "2020-04-30T03:17:33Z")
The end of page one looks like it is missing part of a sentence. “Clinical informaticians include registered, self-regulated and non-registered…” Otherwise this is looking great. ---
**Author:** ![m.honey](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/m.honey/32/2938_2.png) [@m.honey](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/m.honey)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2020, 7:43am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/12 "2020-04-30T07:43:43Z")
This is excellent and there is some great feedback already. I particularly like the broad focus across the health and disability sector with all the stakeholders. I wonder if it is also worth including that the existing legal, professional and organisational requirements must be followed, or upheld. ---
**Author:** ![richard.medlicott](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/richard.medlicott/32/2916_2.png) [@richard.medlicott](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/richard.medlicott)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/13 "2020-05-01T00:55:23Z")
@Anne HI Ann - I thought the same - just hanging there! ![image](https://ehealthforum.nz/uploads/default/original/2X/4/4f78febc3fcb62c88b0a897229b162b6dc1f9bf5.png) ---
**Author:** ![richard.medlicott](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/richard.medlicott/32/2916_2.png) [@richard.medlicott](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/richard.medlicott)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/14 "2020-05-01T00:58:07Z")
I do support the position statement , not withstanding the end of page one. I think it is interesting to think of where someone with no formal qualifications become a CI based on experience? I’ve been around for a while, but would not class myself as one. ---
**Author:** ![emily.gill](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/emily.gill/32/2908_2.png) [@emily.gill](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/emily.gill)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/16 "2020-05-01T02:30:34Z")
What a phenomenal amount of work during these times! Thank you. Great read and nothing to add, apart for support for comments above. @michael.hosking, I agree with and appreciate your specific wording suggestions. No doubt this is a living document, so also support release in next few weeks (e.g., May 2020), with perhaps, this theme being a permanent place on forum for ongoing discussions/suggestions and when time permits, statement can be updated. ‘Yes’ . . can’t seem to vote ---
**Author:** ![Yeok](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/yeok/32/6682_2.png) [@Yeok](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/Yeok)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/17 "2020-05-04T01:38:39Z")
I think there need to be a bit more emphasis on user and consumer experience. it a bit like the nothing with out me. Clinical leaders need to be involved so that the electronic work supports the work and workflow of the clinical and at health consumer ---
**Author:** ![karenblake](https://ehealthforum.nz/user_avatar/ehealthforum.nz/karenblake/32/3502_2.png) [@karenblake](https://ehealthforum.nz/u/karenblake)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 2:01am UTC](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/ciln-position-statement-please-review-and-feedback/12413/18 "2020-05-05T02:01:24Z")
Thank you all so much for your feedback on the [CiLN Position Statement](https://ehealthforum.nz/t/cilns-clinical-informatics-position-statement-may-2020/14228). @KarenDay and I have just met via Zoom and have edited the document, incorporating most of the suggestions for improvement you have all provided. We are excited about finalising the Position Statement, and will share it all with you once it is back from the graphic designer and published. Karen and Karen